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Subject: Not getting responses to questions - another question: trailer doesn't work on old list - issue?
From: Philip Rhoades ####@####.####
Date: 11 May 2018 04:57:34 -0000
Message-Id: <d27a28a43ba9dfd32ef92561099a13ea@pricom.com.au>

People,

I didn't get a response to my last question - if I don't get a response 
to this question I guess I will have to assume I am on my own with 
figuring out ezmlm problems from now on . .

I have a new list that I set up this year - creating 
$HOME/list/text/trailer causes a trailer to be appended to messages with 
no problems.

I have another list that I originally set up in 1999, where this same 
action does NOT result in the trailer being appended.  I see that there 
are a LOT of other files in the text dir that don't exist in the new 
list's text dir - could they be causing a problem?  They are:

-rw-r--r--   1 root root  338 May 11 14:02 trailer
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   609 Apr 20  2009 dig-bounce-num
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   452 Apr 20  2009 bounce-probe
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   642 Apr 20  2009 unsub-confirm
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa    83 Apr 20  2009 top
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   696 Apr 20  2009 sub-bad
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa  2670 Apr 20  2009 mod-help
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   263 Apr 20  2009 sub-ok
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   448 Apr 20  2009 bounce-num
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa    88 Apr 20  2009 faq
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   216 Apr 20  2009 digest
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1168 Apr 20  2009 unsub-nop
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   409 Apr 20  2009 mod-sub
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   692 Apr 20  2009 unsub-bad
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   971 Apr 20  2009 mod-request
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1796 Apr 20  2009 bottom
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa    59 May  1  1999 bounce-bottom
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   292 May  1  1999 bounce-warn
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa    44 May  1  1999 get-bad
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   100 May  1  1999 help
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa    48 May  1  1999 info
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   132 May  1  1999 mod-reject
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   492 May  1  1999 mod-sub-confirm
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   266 May  1  1999 mod-timeout
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   368 May  1  1999 mod-unsub-confirm
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   464 May  1  1999 sub-confirm
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   128 May  1  1999 sub-nop
-rw-------.  1 caa  caa   118 May  1  1999 unsub-ok

Thanks,

Phil.
-- 
Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  ####@####.####
Subject: Re: Not getting responses to questions - another question: trailer doesn't work on old list - issue?
From: Jeff Ross ####@####.####
Date: 11 May 2018 14:22:29 -0000
Message-Id: <1a89d60d-e1e3-d3ef-637e-956aaf2facc9@openvistas.net>


On 5/10/18 10:57 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> People,
>
> I didn't get a response to my last question - if I don't get a 
> response to this question I guess I will have to assume I am on my own 
> with figuring out ezmlm problems from now on . .
>
> I have a new list that I set up this year - creating 
> $HOME/list/text/trailer causes a trailer to be appended to messages 
> with no problems.
>
> I have another list that I originally set up in 1999, where this same 
> action does NOT result in the trailer being appended.  I see that 
> there are a LOT of other files in the text dir that don't exist in the 
> new list's text dir - could they be causing a problem?  They are:
>
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  338 May 11 14:02 trailer
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   609 Apr 20  2009 dig-bounce-num
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   452 Apr 20  2009 bounce-probe
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   642 Apr 20  2009 unsub-confirm
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    83 Apr 20  2009 top
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   696 Apr 20  2009 sub-bad
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  2670 Apr 20  2009 mod-help
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   263 Apr 20  2009 sub-ok
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   448 Apr 20  2009 bounce-num
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    88 Apr 20  2009 faq
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   216 Apr 20  2009 digest
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1168 Apr 20  2009 unsub-nop
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   409 Apr 20  2009 mod-sub
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   692 Apr 20  2009 unsub-bad
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   971 Apr 20  2009 mod-request
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1796 Apr 20  2009 bottom
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    59 May  1  1999 bounce-bottom
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   292 May  1  1999 bounce-warn
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    44 May  1  1999 get-bad
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   100 May  1  1999 help
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    48 May  1  1999 info
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   132 May  1  1999 mod-reject
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   492 May  1  1999 mod-sub-confirm
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   266 May  1  1999 mod-timeout
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   368 May  1  1999 mod-unsub-confirm
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   464 May  1  1999 sub-confirm
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   128 May  1  1999 sub-nop
> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   118 May  1  1999 unsub-ok
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil.
Hi Phil,

I have similar files in an old ezmlm list from 2006--my guess is that 
the list was created with the original ezmlm, and not the more 
up-to-date ezmlm-idx.

See this for the explanation of what those files are:

https://untroubled.org/ezmlm/man/man5/ezmlm.5.html

Those other files will not have an effect on whether or not the trailer 
is attached--what *does* effect that is whether or not the email to the 
list is in multipart html.

Html mails will not always get the trailer attached.  Explanations can 
be found on the web like this one:

https://service.futurequest.net/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/410

On the whole I've gotten good help from the list--sometimes it just 
takes a while.    I don't know the answer to your question about making 
some people on a list "announcement only".  I wonder if if sublist might 
be able to do that--I've never used sublists though so I have no 
personal experience there.

Jeff Ross

Subject: Re: Not getting responses to questions - another question: trailer doesn't work on old list - issue?
From: Philip Rhoades ####@####.####
Date: 11 Jun 2018 12:34:45 -0000
Message-Id: <ecd72f0977c3db9c6530e8199afcbdab@philiprhoades.org>

Jeff,

Thanks for responding - see inline comments:

On 2018-05-12 00:22, Jeff Ross wrote:
> On 5/10/18 10:57 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> 
>> People,
>> 
>> I didn't get a response to my last question - if I don't get a
>> response to this question I guess I will have to assume I am on my
>> own with figuring out ezmlm problems from now on . .
>> 
>> I have a new list that I set up this year - creating
>> $HOME/list/text/trailer causes a trailer to be appended to messages
>> with no problems.
>> 
>> I have another list that I originally set up in 1999, where this
>> same action does NOT result in the trailer being appended.  I see
>> that there are a LOT of other files in the text dir that don't exist
>> in the new list's text dir - could they be causing a problem?  They
>> are:
>> 
>> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  338 May 11 14:02 trailer
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   609 Apr 20  2009 dig-bounce-num
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   452 Apr 20  2009 bounce-probe
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   642 Apr 20  2009 unsub-confirm
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    83 Apr 20  2009 top
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   696 Apr 20  2009 sub-bad
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  2670 Apr 20  2009 mod-help
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   263 Apr 20  2009 sub-ok
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   448 Apr 20  2009 bounce-num
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    88 Apr 20  2009 faq
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   216 Apr 20  2009 digest
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1168 Apr 20  2009 unsub-nop
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   409 Apr 20  2009 mod-sub
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   692 Apr 20  2009 unsub-bad
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   971 Apr 20  2009 mod-request
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa  1796 Apr 20  2009 bottom
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    59 May  1  1999 bounce-bottom
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   292 May  1  1999 bounce-warn
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    44 May  1  1999 get-bad
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   100 May  1  1999 help
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa    48 May  1  1999 info
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   132 May  1  1999 mod-reject
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   492 May  1  1999 mod-sub-confirm
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   266 May  1  1999 mod-timeout
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   368 May  1  1999 mod-unsub-confirm
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   464 May  1  1999 sub-confirm
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   128 May  1  1999 sub-nop
>> -rw-------.  1 caa  caa   118 May  1  1999 unsub-ok
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Phil.
>  Hi Phil,
> 
> I have similar files in an old ezmlm list from 2006--my guess is that
> the list was created with the original ezmlm, and not the more
> up-to-date ezmlm-idx.


Quite likely actually.


> See this for the explanation of what those files are:
> 
> https://untroubled.org/ezmlm/man/man5/ezmlm.5.html


Thanks.


> Those other files will not have an effect on whether or not the
> trailer is attached--what *does* effect that is whether or not the
> email to the list is in multipart html.
> 
> Html mails will not always get the trailer attached.  Explanations can
> be found on the web like this one:
> 
> https://service.futurequest.net/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/410


All the mails in this case are announcement mails from me and they are 
text-only.


> On the whole I've gotten good help from the list--sometimes it just
> takes a while.    I don't know the answer to your question about
> making some people on a list "announcement only".  I wonder if if
> sublist might be able to do that--I've never used sublists though so I
> have no personal experience there.


So far I have created a separate announcement list but there are some 
things like sublists to check out that might be interesting.

Regards,

Phil.
-- 
Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  ####@####.####
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